Jan. 12, 2021

Jumping Out of an Airplane for a Living and Taking Things Slowly with Brian Lane | Ep. 3

Jumping Out of an Airplane for a Living and Taking Things Slowly with Brian Lane | Ep. 3

"This kind of saved me in a time of need. Maybe I can pass that on to other people."


Brian Lane (@brian.lane) is one of the youngest professional skydiving instructors at Skydive Spaceland Dallas where he lives on-site in an airplane hangar. He's completed nearly 2,000 jumps and is currently undergoing training to fly in a wingsuit.


After being lead to Paul Smith's College in upstate New York by his uncle, Brian enrolled in a major called RAELM (Recreation, Adventure Education and Leisure Management) with a minor in Business. He's been a whitewater rafting guide in Utah, ski instructor in Colorado and he briefly trained as a wellness therapist in New York.


In this episode:

How tearing his shoulder rock-climbing led him back to skydiving (15:46)

Realizing his dream job wasn't as advertised (22:45)

Why skydivers don't like Tom Cruise (35:35)

How he didn't realize his love for the outdoors until college (38:16)

Why Brian views skydiving as an outlet to express himself (1:03:04)

How instructors tell students they're not cut out for skydiving (1:06:54)

The craziest hobby Brian has heard of (1:13:36)


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Transcript

Zach McHale  1:47  
all right. Yeah, go for it. Alright, cool. So yeah, welcome to the podcast, man. I guess we'll start off with what's your title and what do you do? Yeah, what's

Connor Heine  1:57  
your name too? Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Lane  1:59  
My name. My name is Brian lane. And currently I am the lead STP instructor at skydive, Spaceland, Dallas. Okay.

Unknown Speaker  2:09  
And what do you do?

Brian Lane  2:12  
Yeah, so I am just a all around skydiving instructor. I am mostly emphasizing on our student program now, which is where regular civilians come and try and get their uspa license in order to skydive

Zach McHale  2:28  
so that they can skydive alone.

Brian Lane  2:31  
Yep. So they can skydive alone, or they can scout out with friends and just spice up their life.

Connor Heine  2:37  
So one of our questions that we both said, we'll probably like freak out at the amount of times is how many times have you jumped out of airplane but before we get to that, I don't know if it's close number two, but how many times have you jumped out of airplanes strap to someone else who's maybe freaking out because it's their first time. Um,

Brian Lane  2:55  
so that would be tandems. I actually just recently got my tandem rating. So I only have about about 120 of those. Okay. Yeah, only

Connor Heine  3:06  
120 of those Is that considered? It's got to be considered a little more dangerous, right? Because it's like the freakout factor of the person that's attached to you.

Brian Lane  3:14  
Um, usually there's not so much freaking out, there's only so much that they can actually do. There's, you know, there's not really so much that they can do that would harm you in freefall. Yeah, there's something that we set behind us. It's actually like a mini parachute called a drogue. And what it is, is, it's pretty much like a Yeah, like a regular round parachute, maybe about two feet wide, attached to a static line on the back of the parachute, that anchors you in freefall, essentially, right? They can kick and swing and do as much as you want. And it's really not going to move you all that much. They're cool.

Zach McHale  3:52  
Yeah, that's that net, that when you jump out at first, it feels like you're actually just free falling from the sky, and your arms are flailing. And then once you release that, that's where it kind of gives you a little more that floating sensation there, right? Yeah,

Brian Lane  4:05  
it slows you down. I mean, realistically, with a tandem pair, you're hucking about 500 pounds of meat out the door. Without a drove you would go over something called terminal freefall velocity, which is anywhere upwards of 130 miles an hour, and that's no longer safe in order to open your parachute. So the joke actually not only stabilizes you, but it brings your overall speed down. So you don't go over that threshold. Right.

Connor Heine  4:31  
So how many times have you jumped out of an airplane?

Brian Lane  4:34  
Right now I have about 1900 skydives Oh. which really isn't all that much. I know to like standard person they say wow, 1900 skydive that's a lot but you know, I work with people that they have 20,000 Plus, you know, when you're doing it

Connor Heine  4:51  
every day,

Brian Lane  4:53  
depending on the day, weekdays we'll see anywhere from none to maybe eight and that's like a That's like a pretty good busy day. weekends, doing like peak summertime, each instructor can do just around upwards of 13 a day day. And that's like turning and burning all day. Yeah,

Zach McHale  5:14  
yeah. how exhausting is that when you're got one of those days like At what point are you kind of burned out on it for the day?

Brian Lane  5:20  
Um Yeah, I think like you never really burn out because you have like a constant supply of adrenaline like no matter how many skydives you have your body does put out adrenaline, because I mean, we're not meant to exist in the air.

Zach McHale  5:35  
Just like Oh, fuck again.

Connor Heine  5:36  
Yeah. perfectly good airplane,

Brian Lane  5:39  
right most most people that work in the industry, they kind of go into like robot mode, just around like six or seven jumps in. And then you kind of get like a little bit pick me up maybe around, like, towards the end of the day when you know, like, oh, cool, like the end is near. And you can kind of relax a little bit most of it's just making sure that you got like good snacks or a lot of water. A lot of people nicotine, you know, stuff like that.

Connor Heine  6:05  
Is it the same? Like route every time? So like, you jump in like the same like coordinates every time there's a different

Brian Lane  6:11  
dip? Yeah, so that's something called jump run. So pretty much a lot of people show up. And they're just like, cool. Like, where do we land and you know, we land at the airport, we wouldn't want to land anywhere else. A lot of people think that just kind of like fucking huck it, and then just land wherever and getting there right. Now. It's like,

Unknown Speaker  6:29  
Yeah, no.

Connor Heine  6:32  
Carry your parachute all the way back?

Brian Lane  6:34  
Exactly. Yeah, with 50 pounds of gear, you wouldn't want to do that. But pretty much we we run something called jumper run, which is the direction that the plane flies in order to let out jumpers. So what that is, it's pretty much like those old military videos where the giant plane is going. And you see like plop plop plop and little round parachutes showing up, we do something like that, where we pretty much fly into the wind, there's different levels of wind all the way up to, you know, the stratosphere, essentially. So we fly into the wind. So as we travel further away from the drop zone, and once free falls over, we open up the parachute, we then have that wind to push us back to where we want to be. So it's a matter of like holding into the wind, which is where you're flying into the wind or running with the wind where the wind is at your back. And it's kind of sending you on your way. Mm. into Yeah, jump run varies on the regular. It's usually set in the beginning of the day. If the winds are higher, or lower, or if they change, we'll adjust it according to that.

Zach McHale  7:35  
Right? Yeah. And if it's cloudy, then you guys just kind of call it off temporarily.

Brian Lane  7:39  
Yeah, so depending on the cloud later, we abide by FAA regulations. So federal is law. And then we operate under uspa jurisdiction, which is a private organization. Ultimately, FAA is law, we can't intentionally punch clouds. Because the Big Sky theory sometimes fails. Like sometimes there's planes, mostly in the United States, where a lot of people have the access of getting their own private pilot's license. That's why it's restricted. But places like Europe, or wherever else, Australia and New Zealand, they can pretty much go through any kind of cloud condition and what does what do people who believe in the Big Sky theory,

Zach McHale  8:25  
think about those who believe in the little sky theory?

Brian Lane  8:27  
I don't know that answer. I just kind of threw that that metaphor out there.

Connor Heine  8:34  
Did you? You're in Texas, right. Did you say Dallas? Yes,

Brian Lane  8:38  
I'm in. I'm in Whitewright, Texas. Whiteright. Yeah. kind of a weird name for a town. Yeah. Especially for Texas. Probably not the best one. But yeah, we're about an hour north of Dallas, just underneath Oklahoma. state line.

Connor Heine  8:53  
Okay. Yeah.

Zach McHale  8:55  
Yeah. Now, when was the first time you actually went skydiving.

Brian Lane  8:59  
First time actually, first time I went skydiving was five years ago as of maybe two three weeks ago. But that was just kind of like, once. And then yeah, happy anniversary. I did it once. And then just kind of like let it sit on the back burner for about two years. I didn't fully pick up the sport until March of 2016. Would you first got my license? I was the

Connor Heine  9:31  
year remember? Is it that you've done it so many times? Oh,

Brian Lane  9:34  
yeah. No, I absolutely. Remember the first time the first time it was sensory overload.

Connor Heine  9:38  
I mean, I've never done it Z, have you done it?

Zach McHale  9:41  
I've done it one time. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why it's bringing up the clouds cuz I remember like, mad at talk man to doing it. And so we're waiting there and you're jacked up like, you're committed to doing it. And then we had clouds come in. So then you're sitting there for two to three hours and all of a sudden that adrenaline goes down. You're like

Unknown Speaker  9:59  
wait What am I doing?

Zach McHale  10:01  
Alright planes here. We're good to go and you're just like hang on. Nevermind. Are you already attached to the guy? No. Yeah, I was I was grabbing onto his leg. But yeah, so then you start getting on the on that plane, man and then it's just like I'm at that point you already pay around and we're with the big crew. Thank god so then you're just like, I can't like bitch out. Yeah,

Connor Heine  10:23  
I'll see you guys on the ground. Brian, what was it like for you? Is it similar? Or were you more courageous? Not

Brian Lane  10:32  
my first guy was different. My brother was actually my instructor and his girlfriend at the time took me up. So I didn't do traditional tandem progression my first got up was actually what we consider your cat A your first solo jump, where two instructors kind of hold on to you and you, you know, perform in freefall and then you fly your own parachute. So yeah, I was like, panned out for sure. I think I'd like a little bit of reassurance because I've watched my brother do it for like five years at this point and kind of knew that. It's not insurance. I've

Unknown Speaker  11:03  
watched a lot.

Brian Lane  11:07  
I mean, yeah, I mean, like, safety is all relative.

Zach McHale  11:10  
Yeah, I mean, I watch WWE all the time.

Unknown Speaker  11:13  
Yeah, actually gonna do it.

Brian Lane  11:15  
Now for sure. I think my perspective changes why I should have said like, but yeah, for sure. In terms of like initial freefall. Yeah, I shit the bed in terms of what I was supposed to do.

Connor Heine  11:27  
How was like, are we

Brian Lane  11:29  
blacked out? I don't know. I don't even

Zach McHale  11:35  
know whether your confidence was so high.

Brian Lane  11:37  
Yeah. Okay, then. Yeah, yeah, landed fine. I mean, so in order to do your first freefall jump, you have to go through about 78 hours of what we call an FJCF first jump course, where they teach you everything in anything that you need to know for your first couple of skydives. It's essentially drinking water out of a firehose because we just blast you with so much information. But at that point, you understand general freefall dynamics. So also how to control your parachute. So yeah, landing was fine. I mean, like, it's, it's usually never too bad. There are certain cases. But yeah, my me and my case, yeah, I played it a little high that flaring is like where you're pulling on two sets of strings to kind of stop the canopy. Yeah, flirt a little high, buckled my knees into my face. But other than that, I'm looking

Connor Heine  12:30  
at any Can anybody take the route you took? Do those courses and then not do a tandem there first?

Brian Lane  12:35  
Uh, yes, they can, depending on where they are. A lot of people generally don't like that. Because your first tandem is ordered to introduce you to freefall. And that cannot nesses- that doesn't go the same for everyone. Right? It absolutely can be done. If people are insistent enough. Eventually instructors will be like, fuck it fine. You won't see what happens. Go for it. But yeah, there still is a lot of training that goes into it. And it's not just like, you know, anyone can show up off the side of street now you got to like you got to schedule a first jump course you got to sit through the classroom training and then on then it's, it's up to the independent instructor deciding whether they're okay with jumping with you or not, you know, it's not like we're forced to jump with some of these people like,

Zach McHale  13:22  
not that guy. No, yeah, been here for six years. Nobody's like that guy just

Connor Heine  13:27  
like an ignorant question. But it? Is there a more dangerous part of skydiving like the freefall or the parachute? I'm sure.

Brian Lane  13:34  
Yeah, for sure. I mean, usually what I tell my students is anyone can fall through the sky, but not everyone can land a parachute. Right? canopy is definitely the number one place where a lot of people either get minorly injured or seriously injured. And that's like the biggest part about skydiving is sure yeah, falling through the sky. It's easy. gravity's doing the work. But in order to fly parachute, there are some serious repercussions.

Connor Heine  13:56  
I'm pretty buoyant.

Brian Lane  13:58  
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But like I mean, like, Yeah, you do something wrong under canopy and it can seriously hurt you.

Connor Heine  14:04  
Yeah. Have you ever gotten injured? In your 1900 times? You've jumped out of a?

Brian Lane  14:09  
No, luckily, I haven't. I haven't gotten too injured at all.

Zach McHale  14:13  
You just got your hand before this podcast. Yeah.

Connor Heine  14:16  
Yeah. Dangerous during this podcast and jumping out of an airplane. It seems Uh,

Brian Lane  14:20  
yeah. Honestly, a lot of things are more dangerous than skydiving driving for one of them.

Connor Heine  14:25  
Yes, that's true. Yeah.

Zach McHale  14:26  
Driving is horrifying. Wow. So you've never really gotten injured from it then other than I'm assuming maybe minor scrapes or something when you're

Brian Lane  14:32  
Yeah, you know, little bumps, bruises, that sort of thing. I've definitely watched a lot of other people get hurt. But I know myself. You ever had a big scare?

Connor Heine  14:40  
Oh, terrifying.

Brian Lane  14:42  
For sure. Yeah. I mean, like, that's like, it's like kind of like the most cliche question like people ask you like, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen? Like, fuck, I see a lot of crazy stuff. But like, it's kind of like tried to work better than that. Did

Connor Heine  14:55  
I do a better job than that? Yeah, I

Brian Lane  14:57  
mean, you're still asking the same question which is crazy.

Connor Heine  15:00  
Yeah, what's the craziest thing you've done?

Brian Lane  15:02  
Exactly. And I was kind of ready for that. Because everyone asked me, they got it, you got

Connor Heine  15:07  
to jump out of an airplane for living, you

Brian Lane  15:09  
know, like not to dole it down. But like, No, I mean, like, unfortunate events or kind of things that go haywire kind of engrained into the sport. So I mean, when something chaotic or crazy does happen, it's not kind of like, holy shit. That was crazy. It's kind of like, it's part of it. You know, it happens. Um, yeah, most of the crazy stuff is usually like the people you encounter in the sport, or Yeah, maybe just people the way that people handled themselves Other than that, like, you know, things in freefall happen for sure. Especially when they're learning or things in your parachute happen, for sure. What to everyone? So yeah, really no crazy part. I mean, I could go into like, multitude of things where that like, did not make me sit, right. I'm just kind of like, holy shit. But, yeah, things happen as part of the sport.

Zach McHale  16:00  
Yeah, what, like, I get entangled, or maybe like a hole popping up or not just coming out, right?

Brian Lane  16:05  
Yeah, you know, there's, there's 16 types of parachute malfunctions that we train students on. And you know, some of them are bad lots, some of them are holding the parachute. Maybe some of them are broken lines, that sort of stuff. But like with the student program, we go over, we have 16 emergency procedures that we train them on before they jump for the first time in the beginning of the day. So for students, we kind of ingrain them in them, just like, you know, kind of be ready, and it's okay, if it happens, and some of them are fixable. Some of them weren't just kind of teaching them how to handle it appropriately. Right. less crazy.

Zach McHale  16:43  
Right? So I was thinking, like, because I've got at one time, and you know, honestly, if I never did it again, I would be okay with that. It was a blast. And I was riding. It's crazy. I was riding like a two week high after that. You're just like, Oh, my God, I'm alive. Yeah, after that. But what because you said it took about two years before then you decided to do it as like a career? What? I guess what was it that made you want to pursue that? And why? What were you doing in that period of time while you're thinking about it?

Brian Lane  17:14  
Um, well, the ultimate goal was actually not working skydiving. But eventually it happened. So I did my college internship at Skydive New England, kind of I worked in something called Manifest, which is kind of the office that puts together the plane loads it basically customer relations, taking payment, that sort of thing. And I did not go to school for this, I didn't intend to work on it because I was like, I'm gonna do something different than my brother. But after I got out of school and ended up deciding not to use what my degree was specifically meant for. And after a certain injury. I actually found myself just it was the only job available at the time where I was and it was something that was you know, relatively familiar with, right? So yeah, I worked on the ground in skydiving for about two years and then I ultimately started commercially jumping like working as a profession only last June. So like in the past year, I've done yeah, like close to like 1200 skydives, so most of those skydives are within the actually the last year. Wow. All right.

Zach McHale  18:28  
And what was your what was your major at school,

Brian Lane  18:31  
I studied something called Realm. It's recreation, adventure, education and leisure. leisure management. Okay. Um, so pretty much it's, I usually just say adventure education. So facilitating learning experiences and adverse environments. adverse being like a high ropes course or rock climbing or skiing, like what can we take from our experience in this and translate it to our lives outside of the activities that we kind of like keep ourselves occupied with and then also business as a minor? because why not? ties in with it? Yeah.

Zach McHale  19:12  
And so then what was the injury that happened?

Brian Lane  19:15  
I blew my shoulder out climbing with some buddies in Zion. Park is unbelievable. It is it is where zone? It's a southern Utah South Southwestern Utah just outside of Las Vegas. Um, yeah, it's pretty sweet. It's like something fucking disney world but without being a Disney World. Yeah, and unfortunately, I got a posterior dislocation on my right arm, which is kind of like my, my right shoulder went backwards. Usually happens forwards. But unfortunately, I tore my rotator cuff. And at the time, I was working as a whitewater guide in Moab, Utah and Obviously with a shoulder injury in or raft That's tough. Yeah, can't do that. So, had to get surgery and when I was sitting on the ground, my good buddy, Keith Macbeth, he runs Skydive Moab, and he, the guys that I lived with at the time as well also worked at Skydive Moab. And they hooked me up with a desk position there. So as much as I tried to avoid it, you know, life kind of ushered me in that direction. Yeah,

yeah.

Connor Heine  20:27  
are you liking it though? Yeah. Oh,

Brian Lane  20:30  
Fuck yeah. Yeah. I love it. I mean, like the typical. It's not work when you love it. Right. But sometimes, sometimes it gets old for sure. Yeah,

Zach McHale  20:39  
yeah. Yeah, that'll happen with anything doing repetition like that. I was curious. How did how do you tear it climbing? So are you climbing with? What do they the ballets are? Like where you're hooking yourself in?

Brian Lane  20:51  
electronic climbing, like where you're placing pieces of equipment and moving upwards?

Zach McHale  20:55  
Yeah, yeah. I was that kind of climate or

Brian Lane  20:58  
Yes, yeah.

Connor Heine  21:00  
So you weren't you weren't free soloing? Is that where you're getting? No. Definitely not

Brian Lane  21:04  
free. So I'm not Dean Potter. Yeah, for sure. Definitely not I eventually climbing actually scares the shit out of me now. I don't climb anymore.

Connor Heine  21:12  
Yeah. Get out of me. I mean, yeah, climbing even with equipment is scary.

Brian Lane  21:16  
I yeah. I did

Connor Heine  21:18  
some of it when I was younger, because my I had family in Arizona. There's a little bit out there. But so how did you hurt your shoulder?

Zach McHale  21:28  
Yeah. How'd you tear? It was all wedged in somewhere. Yeah.

Brian Lane  21:31  
Yeah. So yeah, mixture of those two, you guys are like detectives almost. Yeah. So we get that a lot.

Connor Heine  21:37  
We're paid to ask these questions. Actually, we're not but I wish

Brian Lane  21:41  
I had my right arm across my chest, essentially. And I was going to move upwards and like a crack line. And yeah, my weight was just displaced slightly and fell a little bit. It was just like a mixture of just like, kind of like a weird position and fall. And yeah, it just kind of came out. Yeah,

Zach McHale  22:05  
so then how do you get out of that? How

Unknown Speaker  22:06  
long were you?

Brian Lane  22:08  
I mean, we weren't really that high. It was like,

Connor Heine  22:10  
I don't know. Like 105 so you're not that good at climbing.

Zach McHale  22:13  
I mean, hundred feets pretty high. Like what? So what do you do just have to climb down at that point? Or do you have to climb to the top to

Brian Lane  22:21  
know we just set up just like a pretty much just like a blade point from that position? We lost a bit of equipment, just because I was like, fuck it at that point, Ram. But yeah, no, ultimately, I rolled my shoulder back in on its own within like, I rolled it in, like within 20 seconds of it happening. It was kind of like, Whoa, that was weird. Like, I wasn't quite sure what it was. But it was out of here. I know that. It was a decent enough injury that it's like, okay, that's

Zach McHale  22:50  
fine. Your arms sticking out of your back?

Brian Lane  22:52  
Yeah, no, it wasn't sticking out my back. I got it back in and we were just kind of like, cool. That's it for the day. Let's go swim at some hotel that we actually just kind of wandered ourselves into.

Connor Heine  23:01  
How was that? It was great.

Brian Lane  23:02  
It was fantastic. It Zion Springdale. The town in Zion is kind of unfortunate. It's kind of like, like a super touristy town. So everything's gated. You can't really go and use any of the amenities unless you're a hotel guest. So a lot of the culture of like, living there a lot of breaking into places. Yeah, exactly. And people are like, oh, what are you saying? And

Connor Heine  23:24  
772?

Brian Lane  23:26  
Yeah, exactly. You just throw something out there super confident. Like once you're old enough. Like, people are like, kind of like fuckin dude. Yeah,

Connor Heine  23:33  
how well does confidence just get you out of any situation? Now? It's actually

Brian Lane  23:37  
when you're older people. Either this guy is telling the truth or who makes this up? Shit. Yeah, who makes this kind of stuff?

Zach McHale  23:45  
You haven't had a room? 72 in 54 years.

Connor Heine  23:51  
Um, so when you when you were in that a degree? What was like the dream job? Because you said it wasn't skydiving? Right? You kind of got pushed into skydiving just circumstantially.

Brian Lane  24:02  
Yeah, I wanted to work as a wellness therapist. Yes. So, um, what does that what involve?

Connor Heine  24:11  
What would What does that mean?

Brian Lane  24:13  
What does it involve? It's pretty much just working with at risk youth. And kind of like getting them in a better situation by like, kind of like an

Connor Heine  24:21  
Outward Bound.

Brian Lane  24:22  
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like an Outward Bound. But for kids that don't want to be there. Yeah. Okay.

Zach McHale  24:29  
Yeah, I know. They want to be at Outward Bound.

Brian Lane  24:32  
No, they don't want to be at at home with their friends and doing like, you know, whatever. illicit drugs the grinds, consider. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Outward Bound. No, I've

Connor Heine  24:43  
known a couple people who like did that type of stuff when they were younger, and they said totally changed our lives.

Brian Lane  24:48  
Exactly. The ultimate goal. Yeah,

Connor Heine  24:51  
I've never met someone who let's put it this way. I've never met so and I've met a couple of people have done this. I've never met someone who didn't been like that was bullshit, you know, in like, it always has like a variable. big impact on someone's life. And I'm sure

Zach McHale  25:01  
most of them go in with that mindset.

Connor Heine  25:03  
Yeah, a lot. I mean, in this case, it sounds like in that in what you wanted to do it is the case where like, kids don't want to be there. Mm hmm.

Brian Lane  25:11  
For sure they get forced there, right? Usually, which I put my like, but my mooning, they call it like, pretty much these guys. They there's an outside party that the parents hire to take these kids at, like, say, like three

Connor Heine  25:26  
in the morning or something. That's like a Dr. Phil.

Brian Lane  25:29  
Exactly. So it's a little bit different than Outward Bound because our bounds like Whoo, get on a bus. We're going to the Tetons. Like No, dude in your room at three in the morning.

Connor Heine  25:39  
I think there are some kids on our band who don't want to be there. But this sounds way more. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. They just take them. Yeah.

Brian Lane  25:45  
Yeah. I mean, like, it's up to sometimes the parents are like, hey, you're going there and the kids like, fine what situation but the kids like no, they're like, well, you're going anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So ultimately want to work through that. And like when I graduated, I moved out to Colorado and lived with my sister and brother in law in Vail for a couple months, which was sweet just like kind of like decompress from decompress from school and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. was a ski instructor for most of university and kind of like excelled in like the backcountry skiing. So it's super cool. Going from like, East ice coast, weather to like deep powder. And in Colorado, that was like, super cool. And then I went

Connor Heine  26:32  
to my, my uncle was a mayor of a town in Colorado called St. Louis. And he literally was like the bartender, and then people liked him so much. They were like, you should be mayor this little town.

Zach McHale  26:45  
And I thought you were just drunk.

Connor Heine  26:46  
It's a silver plume, I think is what it's called.

Brian Lane  26:49  
Okay, I was gonna be like, Silver Tin is like, it's a little top notch skiing

Connor Heine  26:54  
now, but that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. And he was a ski instructor too, but going out, like, we'd go out there for family trips. And when I was like, you know, not anywhere from like, eight to like, 13. And just the conditions out there for skiing are ridiculous, then yeah, it's unreal. the Poconos and it's just ice, no matter,

Brian Lane  27:11  
jagged, Boulder. And yeah,

Connor Heine  27:13  
it's just awful. Vermont. Yeah, remarks nice, too. But not there's nothing like bail bail. It's crazy.

Brian Lane  27:19  
Yeah, it's absolutely beautiful. So that was like a really good kind of like shift before I tried starting to work at this one organization. And ultimately, I went out there in February. And they do like pretty much like a whole intro. 10 days where you go and you kind of shadow, like live groups that are out there. And honestly, like, by day five, is they marketed the job as something else than what it actually was. It was mostly just a lot of, in my opinion, was just isolating kids in the wilderness not really exposing them to like, you know, a lot of sitting around. And like sure, like teaching them how to make camp or cook over fire, that sort of shit. But like, I feel like a lot of it has to also be like working the kids, right kids or they're young and energy. So like, Yeah, why not fucking walk them for miles. So they're tired and actually sleep at night, rather than trying to run off into the desert three in the morning because they've been sitting around for days, like, so yeah, I actually bailed out of it. My fifth day of training, I was like, I'm out. So went back to Vail and kind of reassess my life and obviously, it was like super lost. I was like, Fuck, what did I just do for the past four years? Yeah, definitely. So yeah, I got a job as a whitewater guide in Moab instead and kind of moved there in March and kind of just went from there.

Connor Heine  28:41  
Very cool. So how many how many like of these like adventure? wilderness jobs have you had because you've been a ski instructor? You've done whitewater. Now. You're sky- is there anything else you've done besides those? No,

Brian Lane  28:54  
that's really it. That's really like, like extracurricular activities. Like Yeah, got like big into climbing. I tried ice climbing. Not burly enough for that very much like a scrawny kid. Yes. Skiing climbing.

Connor Heine  29:09  
terrifying.

Brian Lane  29:10  
Yeah. Now you got to kind of be a little bit muscly for that one. And yeah, so there's pretty much I am whitewater died and skydiving. That's really all very cool.

Connor Heine  29:20  
Is there any, you have any inclination to go back to, you know, the Outward Bound type stuff? maybe find a better company? Maybe it was just that company?

Brian Lane  29:28  
Yeah, for sure. Definitely. Like maybe when I get older, and I'm not it like my body can't necessarily hack this position as much. But yeah, rather than maybe Outward Bound Or Noles something a little bit more established. I would like, I think, I think also something that kind of turned me away is like most of college, I'd spent time like already leading trips, either multi day or just single night or maybe not overnight at all. I think a lot of what I needed at that time was like, Yeah, I just kind of want Like a smash and grab personal experience and then kind of be able to sleep in my own bed at night. So yeah, definitely something a little bit more stable and just kind of like yeah, I don't really feel like sleeping in a tent anymore. I did that for a couple years. Like, let's you know, try the home life.

Zach McHale  30:16  
Yeah, something something a little different. Yeah, we'll never know you're living in the hangar now. Right?

Brian Lane  30:22  
Yep. I live inside an airplane hangar. Sweet. But it's it's different. Like people are probably like, Oh, you sleeping a fucking next to a Cessna? No. Like, there's,

Connor Heine  30:34  
I don't even know what that is? It sounds cool. Plane.

Brian Lane  30:38  
It's, you know, we have it's about like a 60 foot hanger. And probably, I don't know, like 200 feet wide or so. But on like the left facing side of it. There's actually three apartments. One, the chief pilot and the head office lady live in their married conveniently. Oftentimes, like kind of like a bigger apartment. That's her name?

Connor Heine  31:00  
Yeah, no. Yeah. Sounds very nice. It's by her name office, lady.

Brian Lane  31:04  
Yeah, Paula. Hey, that's my mom's name. Oh, yeah. And then

there's like another apartment on the side. So I it's like a two bedroom that's got a washer dryer, Living room Kitchen, that sort of shit. So I live there. So pretty nice.

Zach McHale  31:21  
pimped out airplane. So

Connor Heine  31:22  
you like, live where you work? What's that? Like?

Brian Lane  31:26  
Pretty standard for the industry? actually. Yeah. Yeah. Most places tend to have staff live on site. Mostly at the bigger locations as well. That jump around. Isn't everyone has to live there. But like they they set it up for you to live here.

Connor Heine  31:45  
on call during the day, like

Brian Lane  31:47  
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So I worked five days out of the week. Everyone is going to be on call. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. But then we have two teams that switch off between monday tuesday working and then Wednesday, Thursday working? Because very much like if the weather's not good at the moment. Yeah, but it's gonna clear in the afternoon. They want people by just in case, it's kind of like, Hey, we got a chance. Let's Let's go within the next 20 minutes. I don't want to incriminate you or anything. But

Connor Heine  32:16  
have you ever been on call and like, been at the bar or something? Or

Brian Lane  32:20  
no, no. But even if that does happen, you can be very, we're very open industry. I mean, like the manager will be like, Go fuck yourself, but you can be like, hey, started drinking. But like, yeah, usually they try and be better about that sort of stuff. Like, yo, if you're on call, like, please don't drink like other people want to enjoy their lives too. Like just because you're sad and you hate yourself. At 10 in the morning? Yeah.

Zach McHale  32:47  
Figure it out. You said you actually. Even during all the COVID stuff. You said you guys actually had a spike in the amount of people who jumped this summer, right?

Connor Heine  32:57  
Yeah, watch us. Yeah.

Brian Lane  32:58  
Yeah, it's true. We will be shut down during the net, like so March 12. You know, Trump was like, you know, shutting down. So it's like, cool. Like, you know, everyone's down with it. At first, they're like, cool, this sounds really scary. But then like, after like, a month and a half people are like, hey, what the fuck, like, you know, like, let's, let's get going here. So eventually, when we opened up on May 8, people in Texas were really ready to get out their houses. And, you know, I don't know anything about the economy or politics, I won't even act like I'm going to but one thing that had been quoted on a lot was that in most recent recessions in the United States, we've seen a lot of local recreation. Whether that could be skydiving, but in other times, it would be like camping or like climbing spots, maybe like visiting a river and fishing and enjoying nature with dad or some shit like that people are like, I just spent like two months with my significant other, and I quite literally want to huck myself out of a plane. So yeah. Yeah, business was, is is definitely still up in terms of that. I'm, like, a far amount up. Yeah, because people can't go as far I mean, other states have different quarantine processing, especially in the beginning of all this. So I mean, like, Why go to another state or go to the Bahamas and quarantine for two weeks? And you can just drive an hour north of the city and, and jumped on points off out of a plane. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's like it's it's type B therapy. We say like, you know, type A, you're mandated like you you're psychotic but type B like, you know, kind of like, people come out here for different reasons. And like, sometimes people just want to talk to someone that they don't know, and they experienced something with so like, sometimes people come out here for different reasons, divorce, maybe they were wasted the night before with a bunch of friends. Let's go skydiving that's worth our sample out. Just like yeah, they're just they're just trying to conquer. conquer fear. Yeah. Yeah.

Connor Heine  35:06  
I feel like I would not be able to do that. I

Zach McHale  35:08  
know that feel bad for the guy strapped to my back I just throw up all his face

Unknown Speaker  35:13  
masks and

Unknown Speaker  35:14  
if you throw up on us we throw up on you know, you just roll over and then you start throwing out your face.

Zach McHale  35:24  
Yeah. Have you ever done the bat suit? Or do you know anyone who has

Brian Lane  35:30  
the wings in the wingsuit? Yeah. Have

Zach McHale  35:32  
you ever like, dressed up as Batman? down in Texas, and

Brian Lane  35:36  
I dress up as Batman on the reg? For sure. No, I have never wingsuited. I know plenty of people do that's kind of like my brother's jam actually. Given

Connor Heine  35:49  
that wingsuiting or

Brian Lane  35:50  
I just haven't haven't done it. I wasn't there yet. I haven't really. I've advanced in other The thing about skydiving is there's so many different disciplines. I just didn't find myself in that discipline. And I you know, I've only been in it for so long. Really not that long that right now my my main priorities is work and Kennedy actually read. My brother does the wingsuiting. And you know, he does like the stuff where you get out of planes or to really jazz people up I tell him that he does proximity based jumping, which is pretty much jump off the cliffs with the wing suits and you get within like two feet of the cliff side. That sort of thing. Yeah, that is in brento a lot of room and stuff like that. Yeah, no, fuck that. I'm not there yet. But yeah.

Connor Heine  36:37  
Have you ever thought this might be like too advanced? I don't know. Like Halo jump or something?

Brian Lane  36:43  
No, no Halo jumps. That's

Connor Heine  36:45  
like that's the you want to do it. Zach. It's a high altitude low opening, right?

Brian Lane  36:50  
Yes. That's exactly what Halo is. Yeah, you're getting out at like 28,000 feet. Honestly, the only reason why I don't want to do that is actually because I don't want to shave my mustache. You can't have you can't have facial hair. You have a mask, right? Exactly. Yeah. Dude, Tom Cruise is just on a different level, man.

Zach McHale  37:11  
Yeah, he's on some kind of level.

Brian Lane  37:13  
Yeah, he is actually he's kind of like a laughingstock of the entire sport.

Connor Heine  37:20  
Talk of a lot but in the movie industry's cool, man. No actor.

Brian Lane  37:23  
Oh, yeah. I mean, like, Tom Cruise is cool. But like, honestly, like, he's some hundred jump wonder that. Yeah, he's got fuck money that he can just be like, Yo, I want to jump out at 30,000 feet. And Hollywood's like, sweet. We'll put it in a movie. Right?

Zach McHale  37:38  
Yeah. Well, we'll make a movie around that.

Connor Heine  37:40  
Exactly. That's basically what he does not really know. It seems like it seems like he comes up with like, crazy things he wants to do that aren't that crazy? Just because it's, you know, he's an actor. It's crazy.

Brian Lane  37:51  
The laughingstock of this sport for sure. Right?

Connor Heine  37:53  
That that makes total sense.

Zach McHale  37:54  
They're like, Tom, that's just Like Mike Three. We're not letting you play in the NBA. You're gonna get destroyed.

Connor Heine  38:01  
Now I swear be great.

Zach McHale  38:03  
Trust me every working on my foul shot.

Connor Heine  38:04  
It does. It does seem like that's what he does, though. You ever heard the story of him? them asking him to be in Tropic Thunder. No.

Brian Lane  38:11  
Oh my god. Yes. I know this one because they said the only two things he wants He's like, is to have big hands and to dance at the end, right?

Connor Heine  38:20  
Of course, Ben Stiller was like no. And he was like, well, that's the only way I'm going to be in the movie. And he was like, like, no, we're not going to do that. And then he did it for him. Like he had someone big, big handsy dancer, but I was like, yeah, that's gotta be

Brian Lane  38:38  
that's my man. Just favorite Fun fact, actually.

Connor Heine  38:41  
But he also doesn't like Tom Cruise because he's

Brian Lane  38:45  
Tom Cruise is just a piece of shit. Yeah, I mean, I'm hopefully he's listening to this but like, he's probably not.

Connor Heine  38:51  
He's our only listener.

Zach McHale  38:52  
Yeah, as he does sorry, but but you're not that cool. Tom Cruise and Mark Ruffalo. Mark is good guy. Just the name. Yeah. I guess. So. When you so when you started going to school, like when did you start thinking you wanted to do this outdoorsy stuff? were you doing that kind of stuff in high school?

Brian Lane  39:17  
No, actually, not at all. I think like a majority of like, my outdoor experience was actually like growing up in Jersey, Southern Jersey, where we're all from. Yeah, just kind of like playing in the woods because that's what your parents made. You do. They're like, get out. Let's go play in the woods. And you're like, Okay, yeah, no, I was definitely not outdoorsy at all. I was definitely I got sent to live with my uncle in eighth grade, and kind of got put up there and I was like, very much. Yeah, I lived in on Long Island in Miller Place and I was very much a social recluse like, you know, played World of Warcraft for like, you know, every day all day until like, junior year when I finally came out of my shell Like, coming out of my shell means like, I'm like trying to drink and smoke weed and cigarettes and stuff like that, but like,

Connor Heine  40:07  
good shell.

Zach McHale  40:08  
That is that's a good shell. Yeah,

Brian Lane  40:09  
definitely a good shell to come out of. Yeah, so like, No, I wasn't really that outdoorsy. How did I get into that school I was actually over at my cousin's house in like a neighboring town, and we were having super cool time. It was a Land Party for World of Warcraft, but anyways, I woke up at like, six in the morning, and my uncle messaged me, he's like, yo, I'll be there. I'm picking you up for something. And he runs his own respiratory therapists business. And I would help him like move oxygen tanks and stuff like that. So I was like, cool. He needs help, whatever. So I got in the car, and we start driving and we get to like Queens. I'm like, cool. Inner City patient, like, what's up? What are we doing? And then like, we're like going over the Tappan Zee Bridge. And we're starting to go to northern New York and like, What the fuck is going on?

Zach McHale  40:57  
And you realize, what are we doing man with a bunch of children? They were actually getting dropped off for that.

Brian Lane  41:01  
Yeah, that I mean, that's what I was expecting. But then he was just like, yeah, we're going to check out a college for you. And college was never in my future. I mean, like, I don't even know what I thought I was gonna do back then. But yeah, he just brought me up to Paul Smith's College in Saranac Lake, New York. And yeah, just kind of, he was like, This is what you're gonna study. And it was kind of up my alley like, it was originally, a family friend recommended the college for my brother, who lived up in the Adirondacks. And my, my brother Jack he was already up there. And he was an ice climbing guide for a local outfitter. And, you know, I always expressed like, high gratitude for him. I kind of want to be like Jack all my life. And then, like most fatherly figures, and yeah, my uncle was just like, cool. Like, you know, I think this college would be a good fit. It was a small college, old, like, all in all, I think it was like 1200 people or something like that. Wow, small school. It was essentially a camp on 1600 acres of land. The nearest town was 20 miles away. And he's like, what do you think about this? And I was like, sure, fuck it. And called, accepted. So

Zach McHale  42:14  
you, you're just like, you were pretty sold on it? Or Yeah, I mean, like, what else am I doing? Like may as well like,

Brian Lane  42:20  
exactly, I didn't have too much ambition. And eventually, I think like, most of what that wilderness therapy mindset came from was kind of like, hey, like, this kind of saved me in a time of need, like, maybe I can pass that on to other people. Because the college was very outdoor based. I mean, like, it's predominantly a forestry School, which was actually really fun to learn about, like dendrology, the study of trees. And I mean, who doesn't like to use a chainsaw from now and then? And then but like, yeah, it saved me. So I kind of want to like, hopefully pass it along to other people. And yeah, very cool. In the sense, I still get to, and not in the sense of like, it's, it's structured. And you know, you're here for a reason. But it's kind of like, here, I still definitely give people learning experiences from certain

Zach McHale  43:09  
situations. It's absolutely a profound moment. It's one that everybody clearly remembers. We go out you go skydiving, you remember? Exactly. Yeah, you remember everything about that and how you felt afterwards, too. It's it. It's almost like a refresher, because there's just like, I mean, it doesn't even make sense why you're doing it. And it's just like, oh my god, like, I'm alive. Like, that's what being alive is.

Unknown Speaker  43:31  
Mm hmm. Exactly. Yeah.

Connor Heine  43:35  
Did you this, this might sound like a cheesy question. But did you have a moment moment at that school where you were like, Oh, I do kind of want to do like outdoorsy stuff for the rest of my life. Or did that just Yeah, pretty

Brian Lane  43:46  
much like the first day? Yeah, first day, right. Yeah, I mean, like it. So this is like the Adirondack Mountains in northern New York. And it's, it's absolutely it's pristine wilderness. It's actually it's the largest park in the United States. It's a state park. It's private and public land intertwined together. But it's just you can't be anyone that's been up to that on that day. Understand that. It's a super special and unique place, especially for New York when people think easy New York is just yeah, people think that New York is just a concrete jungle, but there's actually a lot of history and, and geography to it. And within my first couple, like days up there like you know, I was never really outgoing or anything like that. So the vibe suited it was small. I definitely wanted to like make myself interesting for you know, like, was that called? called? Hold on. Give me a sec here. Yeah, confidence. Ah, yeah, I want to make myself confident. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, kind of get into something that

Connor Heine  44:59  
enticed me a little bit Did you Did you ever think about being like a park ranger or anything like that?

Brian Lane  45:04  
No no definitely not no no it's not to square just too much work you got to go to like lawn enforcement school and God you criminals No, I don't. And I also don't want to like write up the kids smoking a bong in Central Park sort of thing

Zach McHale  45:19  
like, right cause he found your bong. Yes.

Connor Heine  45:23  
But I can't imagine being like a park ranger in like Yellowstone or even like the Adirondacks. He said, it's like, you know, a state park, too. That's cool. being

Brian Lane  45:30  
super cool, but also super hard to get into. Yeah, I also didn't have that much ambition. I was kind of just like banking on like, cool. I think I can make it by in this, you know, that sort of thing. And then fortunately, I found a path that yeah, enticed me. Yeah. Yeah.

Connor Heine  45:52  
Zach, I'm seeing a note here about Star Wars. Yeah. So

Unknown Speaker  45:57  
in my cellar.

Zach McHale  45:58  
Yeah. So Brian, I had lost touch for a little while, and then you would reach back out to me to reconnect, which was awesome. It's been awesome. Just being in touch with you. Even though we only get in contact every, you know, a couple of times a year. It's been awesome reconnecting with you. But I have had a note here about when we went to go see Star Wars with our other two buddies, Harry and Howie and so I mean, me and Howie decided to smoke in the car. And so we get high and we're just being like a little high weirdos. And we're waiting in line to get popcorn at the movie. What Star Star Wars The first. The first newest newest?

Brian Lane  46:35  
This was Rogue One. I want to say Oh, dude, a rogue one.

Connor Heine  46:38  
Oh, rogue one's awesome. Force Awakens was just I was trying

Zach McHale  46:41  
to think I wasn't sure if it was the Force Awakens. A Rogue One was about was about Ray or it was about a blow this. This was definitely

Brian Lane  46:48  
Rogue One I remember. Because it came out around Christmas time. Okay, the best new Yeah,

Zach McHale  46:53  
and Rogue One was a good one. But so we're just like waiting in line to popcorn. It's like we're high. So it's like time is stretching on for impossibly long. Me and Howie we both feel we stand in there. And I remember at one point like Khan's his older brother actually happened to walk by us. And I just Yeah, and I didn't say hey to him, because I didn't want to talk to him at all. Yeah. And so I remember at one point, we just stared off and Brian turns us and goes, You guys look like you're rethinking your entire lives and Howie he goes,

Unknown Speaker  47:26  
I am.

Zach McHale  47:31  
Then we went watched Rogue One. It was a sweet ass movie.

Brian Lane  47:34  
Yeah, it was a really special time. No, Zack, definitely. mushy, gushy moment right now.

Connor Heine  47:39  
This is after you guys reconnected the Star Wars.

Unknown Speaker  47:41  
Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  47:43  
Zack was always like,

Connor Heine  47:45  
Star Wars.

Brian Lane  47:46  
Yeah, no, Zach. Zach has always reached out. Like that's what makes Zach a little bit different for the friend group that I had growing up like our brothers. Our older brothers were both friends growing up so like the moms were like, cool. This will be easy set a little kids up together to like a fucking headache relief. But like, that was like the one dude that ever since elementary school. You know? Yeah, we fell out of contact. I think for high school when we were trying to like, you know, stay cool. And yeah, get the ladies or whatever the fuck was going on back then. But cool. Oh, so cool. And yeah, Zach. Zach just kind of keeps in touch and yeah, I brag about him usually to other friends. Like you know not you don't have too many people from elementary school that you like. Please stay in contact. Yeah. Zack definite definitely made like a good effort. I actually do remember our reconnecting moment. I do. Back under the bus here. Nice. edit this out later. No.

Unknown Speaker  48:48  
I don't know how to edit anything. Oh,

Brian Lane  48:51  
I came back in high school or something like that, like my senior year of high school. So I like hit up Zach because like I didn't know anyone back in Medford anymore. I wasn't comfortable hitting up anyone. So we got together. It was me and my girlfriend at the time. And we got together and we went to Tamarac Lake. And we chilled underneath the bridge where Zach and I like when we were younger. We would like kind of like rope ourselves across the iron beams. Mm hmm.

Zach McHale  49:19  
Like, you know, do that. Swing yourself across there. Yeah,

Brian Lane  49:22  
exactly. And then we went back to my place with your stuff. Yeah, almost. Yep. And we went back to my place and I live in my mom lives now in like a condominium sort of thing. Like, somewhere off Jackson, road. And he's laughing because he's embarrassed right now. Was we smoked and Zach was like, I'm totally good to drive. So he

Connor Heine  49:45  
drove around the block and then like, came back.

Brian Lane  49:47  
No, so here's the worst part. Zack drops us off at my house. And it's like, dude, I love you. We'll stay in contact is that the second The other thing and no joke. 45 minutes went by I am not fucking 45 minutes went by. and Zach calls me I'm like, Yo, dude, did you get home and you and he was just like, I'm lost. And I'm like, and he's just like, I'm lost in your neighborhood. I was like, have you down to the Main Street yet? I don't know where I am. Much. We had to get Zach back to my house and I had to give him one direction, make a right and then go straight.

Zach McHale  50:29  
This road is basically it's just that they read like it's just right off the main road. And it's basically there's one part that loops left in a little cul de sac man. And then you keep going straight. And then there's another part that loops left into another cul de sac. Yeah, and then there's, I think it was like a right and it's over towards, like, Brian's mom has mom's house that was there. kept going back and forth looping. And then going back down to

Brian Lane  50:57  
that point, like, in my high school career, I would definitely consider myself like a weed connoisseur or like, you know, smoke, just keep myself like good and stable. And that's what I knew, like Zach was like, kind of like just getting into it. Or maybe he was like, the typical suburban kid that like Godstone once and was considered in like an acid trip or something. But yeah, that getting lost in my neighborhood for 45 minutes when it was only one turn was probably Yeah, peak of us getting back. Yeah, absolutely.

Zach McHale  51:26  
You saved my life. You got me out of there.

Connor Heine  51:28  
That's the dude on the way over here. We're at his dad's office right now. And he turned in once. didn't think it was the right place, turned out, drove down the road a little again, turned around, turned back in the same place and goes, No, I think this is it. And then and then now. And then yes, it was we just said there was

Zach McHale  51:45  
a sense of direction is not my strong suit. Yeah,

Connor Heine  51:48  
it's a reoccurring theme, Zach. Mm hmm. Yeah, that is, that's a good story. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  51:58  
Yeah. Cool, I guess.

Zach McHale  52:03  
Is there any advice that you would give to somebody who's, who was kind of in your position, when, you know, I guess you were around in high school, or maybe in early on in college, when you're trying to figure out what you want to do. And maybe they're starting to look into this kind of outdoorsy, adventurous field. Is there any advice you'd kind of give to somebody who's just kind of trying to find the direction things like, oh, maybe this is something I could do? where it's like, um, you know, want to do something where I'm where I'm outside, and I'm doing something, you know?

Brian Lane  52:32  
Uh, yeah, I mean, I would suggest, especially like in the day and age that we live in, like, where, I think mean, you actually have this conversation on our last phone call, like a month ago. where like, now, like, we're living in like a super chaotic society where, you know, everything's very interconnected with technology. And sometimes it can be really confusing and overwhelming, and maybe you don't know what's true. Or maybe certain ideas give you anxiety, which is, like totally normal. Make sure you're getting into it for the right reason, like, you know, make sure you understand the importance of like getting out in nature and kind of disconnecting from your phone or not checking your Facebook or don't get into outdoor shit to take pictures and put it on your Instagram. I hate that. But yeah, people go on a fucking hike in the Pine Barrens on like Jackson road, and they're like, Oh, my God, nature, like Vaseline everywhere. Probably a wrecked car somewhere, like, no, like, go somewhere cool. Like, that's like a good introductory, but like, get into it to get away from everything. Because like, especially in a world where we're so connected to each other. Make sure like you're connecting with yourself. That is like so Namaste day but like yeah, definitely, like get better to like, be comfortable yourself. It's so easy to use technology as a distraction now, like, I think I watched this documentary The other day. How's that? Social Delimma. sound? Yes, yeah.

Zach McHale  54:03  
Fantastic dude.

Connor Heine  54:04  
so we watch that it brought myself to watch it because of how connected I am to my phone. I know. It's just probably gonna make you

Brian Lane  54:10  
Yeah, it'll make you feel like a sack of shit for sure.

Connor Heine  54:14  
Ship Brian? More like a sec.

Zach McHale  54:16  
It's good. It's good. It's something that I think everyone should be aware of.

Connor Heine  54:20  
I don't know people tell me to watch it because, like, they notice how connected I am to my phone. Or if it's just like, the thing

Zach McHale  54:26  
is I think anyone around our age and younger should definitely watch it.

Brian Lane  54:29  
Yeah, I mean, like the dude said himself, he's just like, the phone is essentially a pacifier like as the second that we feel lonely or overwhelmed or bored. You can just open it up and suddenly feel, you know, like, you're surrounded by people or you're comforted, like no, like, try and stay away from that because like, I know, whatever fuck politics, but I'm with all this stuff that's reasonably going on. A lot of people are really either upset or happy right now or they're confused because they don't know what's going on like me going on social media now is super overwhelming because I see people throwing out like really heavy opinions that it's like do I want to consider that like, should I be listening to this person? Yeah, it's so radical now whether it's radical left radical right or centrist like, whatever, I don't care, but just like put your phone away like go outside learn about like your local ecosystems, especially jersey people. So underestimate jersey like if you're out there you got so many cool places that you can go right now. You got like the Pine Barrens you got Cape May Cape May is renowned for birding, you know, yeah. You got the Pygmy Pine Forest, which is down in near Cape MaY as well. We got the LBI you know, the shore, you know, got the Poconos. Yeah, we're like, all these things are within total reach of you guys. And like, you know, go out there and enjoy it. Because ultimately, the phone doesn't matter in the long run. It's kind of like the earth that's running the big show right now. And you should go out and enjoy it. Because like, everywhere has its own special place. Even Texas, surprisingly. But yeah, go out and enjoy.

Zach McHale  56:13  
You told me that and I basically just teed off on like three hikes in a row. Yeah. And I saw

Brian Lane  56:19  
like Vermont and stuff like that. You went Yeah, Vermont you went up to. That's the other creepy thing about technology. I don't even have to talk to any of you guys. I know what you're doing anyways. High school reunions kind of suck. They're like what have you been up to? Actually Nevermind. I

Zach McHale  56:31  
actually know that my you all that? Yeah. Yeah.

Connor Heine  56:33  
Yeah. trip to Vermont. Wait, what?

Zach McHale  56:37  
But I was telling Connor on the way over here, because I went to the Poconos with some of my friends. And it was for Halloween weekend. And we went in like, you know, some people like dressing up in costumes, and I showed up late. And so I show up at 7pm on Friday. I assume people are wearing costumes. So I put my costume on. It's always it was Halloween. And it was all white Adidas jumpsuit. I slick my hair back and I had grown out of beard that last month and a half. So I was just like, oh, screw it. I'll just shave it into a goatee. Right. And I was like, I don't know exactly what I'm trying to be but you get it. I'm like Sunday night Italian drug lords. Exactly. So I got my chest hair hanging out of the tracksuit. And I walk inside and I see one of my girlfriends and she said she's like, Oh, hey, Zach. Like she's not wearing a costume kind of looking at me sort of weird. We say what's up and she leaves. And then I go into the kitchen. There's like eight people hanging out there. None of them are wearing costumes. So I'm the only one wearing this costume. I got to goatee chest hair hanging out in an all white tracksuit. And everybody's just like, oh, what's up, dude? Like what's going on? in the butt? They're giving me like a weird half and half kind of thing where like, they're not sure if I'm in a costume or they're not sure if this is just me now because a lot of these people hadn't seen me in like a year. So to just keep addressing it to everybody just over and over probably about like,

Connor Heine  57:55  
anyway, I'm in a costume. No, you

Brian Lane  57:58  
should have just rocked it with confidence. Man. Like this is who I am now and people would be totally intimidated by that guy is very confident. Holy shit. He

Zach McHale  58:05  
went we went for he's going for the goatee. Wow. Yeah. Props to this guy.

Brian Lane  58:09  
Exactly. Yeah, just rock anything with confidence.

Connor Heine  58:11  
I seriously had to goatee for a little while. It was not something I'm very proud.

Zach McHale  58:15  
Well, now you got the mustache going on. I

Brian Lane  58:17  
do. I do. Jeeze. Welcome to the club. But

Zach McHale  58:20  
yeah, yeah, you've been rocking that mustache for a while. Right?

Brian Lane  58:23  
Yeah, like five years is my security blanket. Yeah,

Connor Heine  58:25  
I think the last time I saw you You had a mustache.

Brian Lane  58:27  
Yeah, yeah, I hide behind it with everything in my life.

Connor Heine  58:31  
I'm there to with you. And now

Brian Lane  58:32  
it's comforting. It's really good. Yeah.

Connor Heine  58:35  
I didn't like my beard though. I feel lost without it. So I'm gonna back.

Zach McHale  58:43  
As they're asked, oh, are there any? Are there any books or quotes or sort of like philosophies you kind of live by? philosophy sounds like a big world. Like it, like a big concept. But you get what I'm saying? Like sort of

Connor Heine  58:59  
just like, but it's such a big question that you just like casually asked, What do you like live by?

Zach McHale  59:06  
Like, what's the point of your life anyway? What's

Connor Heine  59:07  
the Nexus? Your universe?

Zach McHale  59:10  
No, but I mean, are there they'll start with other like any books or cultural?

Connor Heine  59:18  
Let me ask I got a I got a guy in the similar vein, like, I'm sure we all have, you know, downtimes hard times, low times in our life. Is there anything in those type of times that you know, you fall back on? Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.

Brian Lane  59:34  
Oh, like are we talking about like comfort shit,

Connor Heine  59:37  
not just not comfort ship. But just like we all like I said, we all have low points in our life or career, whatever it is, and you know, where we you know, you're beating yourself up, but you're just piling stuff on that you don't need to pile on like, Is there anything you fall back on? That you tell yourself in that like, what do you tell yourself in those type of moments?

Brian Lane  1:00:00  
Oh man, yeah, I'm gonna start off with Zach's

Unknown Speaker  1:00:05  
books or Yes,

Zach McHale  1:00:06  
we go back to books. He goes back he goes Berenstein Bears all of them.

Brian Lane  1:00:10  
Yes. I think my favorite quote, probably that keeps me going. Mm hmm. came from my brother. And it's gangsters go hard. But gangsters also chill hard. So, in terms of in terms of work, I show up, whether it's my day to work or not. And sometimes it can be very exhausting, because especially in the industry that we work in, it demands a lot out of you. Like skydiving, it doesn't sound very active, dude. It's like the fucking CrossFit of sports where like, you use muscles that you don't even know existed.

Connor Heine  1:00:45  
Yeah. And then you get done. At the end of the day, you went horseback riding once and use muscles we know exactly, yeah,

Brian Lane  1:00:51  
it's like, you would never think about it, but you get done at the end. You're like, holy shit, I'm

Zach McHale  1:00:55  
out of shape. Yeah, but and I love horses.

Brian Lane  1:00:58  
So I love I love that. And it keeps me in check. Because it's like, I don't want to take a day off. Like, you know, I want to go in and like, you know, have fun. But also remind yourself like, yo, your body needs rest. Like, chill out a little bit. And enjoy youngster. Right? Yes. Also your Everyone has their own gangster. Yeah, killing it in life. Fuck the system. My favorite book would probably be In Praise of Slowness. And this is like, it's a book in terms of like taking everything slow. And whether that's cooking, working out, working, like having sex, like that sort of stuff. Like take it slow, like enjoy everything slow, like everything can be benefited by challenging the cult of speed. Like, which is like kind of like the book narrative. Because in a world where everything is chaotically fast Yeah, if you just slow down a little bit, it helps you so much. In terms of what I

Zach McHale  1:01:58  
thought you're applying that to the sex by

Connor Heine  1:02:00  
that. I just meant like, tick tock. Oh, yeah, dude,

Brian Lane  1:02:03  
sex. Take it slow focus on the other person. Don't be so selfish.

Connor Heine  1:02:06  
All right. Okay, fine.

Zach McHale  1:02:10  
Yeah, sound like my dad.

Brian Lane  1:02:14  
What were you asking Connor? What do I fall back on?

Connor Heine  1:02:17  
No, I just mean, like, Is there anything like I mean, he asked, What do you live by? I thought that was you know, kind of a casual way to ask a serious question. But like, is there? I mean, I guess that quote might be what you live by.

Brian Lane  1:02:30  
Yeah. gangster. I mean, like, I could be like a suburban mom and be like, live laugh, love, you know, enjoy your life to the fullest. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker  1:02:36  
mean that.

Brian Lane  1:02:37  
Yeah. But ya know, definitely enjoy what you do. Like if pulling in bills and taking big vacations is what you want to do. Like, that's sick. Nothing on if you want to just enjoy your job, kind of like I do. Unless like, you know, like, bookmaking is your job. And you really like, you know, accounting and shit like that. Yeah. Cool. That's cool to know. Definitely. Just like, enjoy yourself. I mean, like, there's all sorts of memes out there that it's like, you know, like, work yourself to the grave. Like that's kind of depressing. lol and then like, everyone laughed, but in their mind, they're like, holy shit. It's kind of Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Just enjoy what you're doing. Like, don't be afraid just to and this is so easy for me to say but like yeah, like don't be afraid to quit your job and make you know, don't be afraid of money. Yeah, go jump out of a plane go find like a new hobby that you've never tried. Or like I don't know. I I've always been and still am so scared of other people's judgment, but like, you know, like, Fuck everyone else. Yeah, what makes you happy? No one do something. Yes, definitely.

Connor Heine  1:03:42  
Big third. Are you good over? Yeah. Do you is would you describe? Um, skydiving and being a skydiving instructor as your passion? Do you have anything else that you would describe as your so like, are you making a career out of your passion or skydiving to something that you love and you have something else? That is a passion? No, I'm

Brian Lane  1:04:03  
I'm in this for the long haul as much as possible. Like, honestly, like, kind of the one thing that's confidence building for me right now. like finding myself in the position that I am as a lead instructor right now. It It makes me feel really good about myself. I work

Zach McHale  1:04:18  
here. You're like the youngest one there, too.

Brian Lane  1:04:20  
I am one of the youngest people here. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people don't start skydiving until they're at least in their mid 20s to early 30s. So I work around the table. Yeah. Yeah, clothes Do I have the mentality of a 13 year old? Yeah. Can

Unknown Speaker  1:04:38  
we all

Brian Lane  1:04:40  
Yeah, no, I worked hard to get here. And I I'm super passionate about this because it it gives me a release like no other. I mean, like a, you're able to fly canopy and especially the type of canopy that you get to fly when you get more experienced or if that's what you're into, like being able to fly a piece of nylon. And you're just attached to a bunch of strings on it like it is something are like, yeah. And like when I take tandems up and never gets old because I'm able to sit on the canopy with them, and let them kind of control the parachute a little bit and be like, dude, check this out right now like just kind of grasp the situation that you are floating at 3000 feet with a strange man attached to your back. And this is your life. And they're like, okay, weird, but yeah.

Connor Heine  1:05:28  
You you kind of described I think you did earlier yourself as a little like, reclusive. And not too outgoing. For sure. But it sounds like maybe in the job. You're now you have to be a little more outgoing. Would you describe yourself more of a people person now then, than you were before?

Brian Lane  1:05:45  
No. No, I think I'm like very upfront about like, my awkwardness. skydiving is like, forever. Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, look, I'm really uncomfortable right now. I'm gonna strap you to me, and we're just gonna have some fun. Yeah, but

Zach McHale  1:06:01  
you're going comfortable? Because you just walked into the room naked? Just to say that.

Brian Lane  1:06:08  
Um, yeah, no, I like, I'd like to think that skydiving is like my one outlet to express myself, you know, like kind of like a peacock that shows his colors there. It's something that I'm like truly passionate about. And like, working with students is like, one of the most rewarding things ever, because skydiving is so hard to teach, because you're teaching someone how to interact with something that they cannot see, you can't see air, but air is air and gravity are the two things that propel the sport. So when you see someone get over that mental barrier, and however they figure out to learn it, whether it's reading a book, or imagining air is water, or looking at how there canopy actually worked when they manipulated, when you see them cross that threshold, and you see it finally click. And their smile comes on and they're relaxed, and they're up there and they're doing it like that is it's so much better than the jump itself. Because like some people do, some of these people like some people get into it because they want to be the cool dude on Instagram. Some people do it because they just gotta have one of the worst situations in their life. When you see someone starting to get this, and you see them come out, and after they have their license, and all that it's it's like one of the most rewarding things ever. Yeah, absolutely has to. But at the same point. Like there's a fine line of like, some people can't do this. And like that's like the other part that sucks. Like, some people get balls deep in a program. And they're not again, I mean, how do you Yeah, how

Zach McHale  1:07:49  
do you tell somebody that? Yeah, let's

Brian Lane  1:07:53  
talk you like he's got what the bowling talk like hey, like, maybe go bowling? Yeah. Right. They're just set it like maybe go bowling. Hilarious. Oh, yeah. That's

Connor Heine  1:08:06  
a great, that's kind of a great insult to start using.

Brian Lane  1:08:09  
Yeah, um, just go bowling because like, you know, like, not only are they putting them thrilled themselves in danger, like they are like, quite literally like a threat to everyone else. Right. And after like a certain time, you know, a lot of money goes into this sport, just like a lot of other things in the world. But this not only involves money, and your personal well being but others wells beings as well. If you're putting an instructor at danger, you're putting other people at danger. Yeah. Like, I haven't had to have the conversation yet. Yeah, we've definitely grounded a couple people and said you can't come back. Um, but yeah, there are times in the industry where you need to tell the person like Yo, like, you know, nice. That was a good effort. But unfortunately, like, this isn't for anyone and right now it looks like you were just kind of forcing this to be something that you just can't

Zach McHale  1:09:02  
Have you guys been trained or, or what are the telltale signs of somebody who's just not cut out to it other than maybe just a hunch? You're like this guy's you know? Yeah, just like general hunch.

Brian Lane  1:09:15  
There's some weird people in the world and there's some weird people in the industry. But like it, it gets like under like a microscope here. Like we're teaching people very specific niche stuff that is absolutely useless in the real world. But yeah, after eventually, like if they cannot fly canopy safely, if they cannot grasp like a certain freefall technique, the easy way of getting them out of it, which they do on their own is they break themselves. And that's kind of like a telltale sign like oh, no, this wasn't for you. What, um, yeah, like they break something like oh, physically, like, their legs,

Zach McHale  1:10:01  
Oh, I thought you meant like they break their spirit.

Brian Lane  1:10:03  
No, no,

Zach McHale  1:10:04  
no. It's like, Oh, yeah, you're bleeding out, hey, by the way, with the ambulances on the way, but you're not doing this

Brian Lane  1:10:11  
now, but like, why don't you go bowling. Some of those people will come back. Sometimes it's just a freak accident, but sometimes it's bowling. I'm not

Connor Heine  1:10:22  
good at that either. He goes I suck at both

Unknown Speaker  1:10:26  
I have to be good at this. Yes.

Unknown Speaker  1:10:27  
Better.

Brian Lane  1:10:29  
Yeah. No, but some people will try and force it for sure. They will. Um, but yeah, sometimes people get a nasty break. And it wasn't meant to happen to them, you know, freak things happen. But sometimes when we're just kind of like, eventually, and sounds fucked up. Hopefully my manager is not listening. You're just kind of like, fuck it. Let's give it a shot. And you give it a shot. And then they break themselves. And you're like, well,

Unknown Speaker  1:10:52  
maybe we shouldn't give it a shot.

Brian Lane  1:10:53  
Yeah, signed a waiver. You're okay. Like, you know, whatever. You're still breathing. I'm

Unknown Speaker  1:10:59  
barely Yeah, still. Yeah,

Brian Lane  1:11:00  
sometimes. Yeah, I don't honestly, I don't know.

Zach McHale  1:11:04  
That's so you're talking about kind of vetting people for that. And I remember, when you're, you were telling me when you're interviewing people, you look for them to have hobbies outside of what they do too, right? Could you elaborate on on why you look for that?

Unknown Speaker  1:11:19  
Um, well, like,

Connor Heine  1:11:21  
make sure they're not crazy.

Brian Lane  1:11:23  
Yeah, make sure that they're not crazy. I mean, like, how many people actually listen to this podcast? Like,

Zach McHale  1:11:30  
I mean, if you, oh, you can skip it, too.

Brian Lane  1:11:33  
If, oh,

Connor Heine  1:11:34  
if you? If we put this podcast out and you listen to it, we'll have a total of one person who has listened to it.

Brian Lane  1:11:41  
Okay, perfect. Yeah, I mean, like, so sir. Pretty much you want people to have hobbies outside of this industry, just because like anything else in the world, you want people to not just be so so focused on one thing. It's good for people to take care of their bodies, because it's, it's very much like, it's CrossFit in the sense that I said that, like you're using muscles. Do you want people to be flexible? You want them to work out so they can get the checks and take hard hits?

Zach McHale  1:12:08  
You know, the other motto you live by? Yes. The second line in the gangsters' testament.

Brian Lane  1:12:16  
Um, you also want other people to have hobbies, because sometimes if you just get stuck on this sport, it's no longer

Connor Heine  1:12:25  
it's like a derogatory term, like in your field of work, but like, you don't want someone who's like, too much of an adrenaline junkie, right? You don't want somebody who's like,

Brian Lane  1:12:34  
No, no, no, that's fine. You can be an adrenaline junkie, all you want. You just don't worry.

Connor Heine  1:12:40  
Like, no, you know, there's no line? Push it to the max. 

Unknown Speaker  1:12:43  
I mean, the third line of the gangsters' testament?

Brian Lane  1:12:46  
Yeah, like a gangster life, people can push it as much as they want as long as they're being safe. Right? Well,

Connor Heine  1:12:52  
I guess that's what I'm getting at. Because there are people who are adrenaline junkies who are pushing like the envelope of not be

Zach McHale  1:12:58  
You mean, like reckless adrenaline junkies? Like

Brian Lane  1:13:02  
oh, yeah, dude, if you're again, someone that's like fucking Sergeant Send It and they're pulling dirty. Like, just like going to hurt people. Yeah, fuck no, shut it down. You're not doing this. Yeah. And

Zach McHale  1:13:13  
why don't you go bowling? But yeah,

Brian Lane  1:13:15  
like, you know, mostly the other hobbies is just kind of like making sure that people are just taking care of themselves. Because if you don't take care of yourself outside of any job, uh, yeah, you're probably not doing so hot in life. Yeah. Because, you know, this is a fun job. But it can be very taxing. If you're not relieving that stress in the right ways. Yeah, you're not going to be good instructor. You're not going to be really fit to do anything that we want you to do.

Unknown Speaker  1:13:42  
Right? Yeah.

Brian Lane  1:13:45  
Yeah, pretty much like people drink a lot. Hmm, don't Yeah, try not to travel across the board. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Probably that. I don't know. Just have other hobbies. Don't be boring. Take care of yourself.

Connor Heine  1:14:00  
Don't what's the craziest hobby? You've heard from someone? craziest hobby? Yeah. Did anything like jump out at you?

Brian Lane  1:14:08  
Right, like the second that you said that when people put those fucking hooks through their shoulder blades and hanging from them? You know what I'm talking about? Oh, geez.

Zach McHale  1:14:16  
I mean, but yeah, this is what we're looking for.

Unknown Speaker  1:14:19  
In the movies. Yeah, but I've never met

Unknown Speaker  1:14:21  
someone exactly mean like Batman. I know. Like,

Brian Lane  1:14:25  
I've done that one. Yeah, it's just like, kind of like, wait, so no, explain it.

Zach McHale  1:14:30  
Pretty sure. I only saw one guy do that. And he was in the Guinness Book of World

Connor Heine  1:14:33  
he talks about like David Blaine. Oh, yeah.

Brian Lane  1:14:35  
No, like not David Blaine, cuz there's no magic. This is just a fucking hook in your show. No, there's

Unknown Speaker  1:14:39  
no magic.

Brian Lane  1:14:42  
Yeah, no, I know. Like three people that have done it. I don't it's just random conversation to why

Zach McHale  1:14:47  
wait, so what is this? I need you to break it down. Yeah, me

Brian Lane  1:14:49  
too. Cuz I don't know what it is. I mean, like,

Zach McHale  1:14:51  
what what do you what are they describing what it is? You say hook in the shoulder?

Connor Heine  1:14:57  
Yeah, cuz, because when someone describes a hobby they actually They they're like trying to sell it to you. Yeah, they're telling you why they love it so much. Yeah,

Brian Lane  1:15:03  
what is there? Like, you don't feel pain? It's super relaxing. It's like, I think it was like acupuncture. Like, yeah, I mean, like the hooks are huge. They're like the from like a tip to the actual shaft of the hook. I think it's like a couple inches, but pretty much they take the fatty part. Right behind your, your, your shoulder blades. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about?

Zach McHale  1:15:25  
No, I've never heard of this before.

Connor Heine  1:15:27  
I mean, I know about that spot behind your shoulder blades. I have a lot of fat there but I

Unknown Speaker  1:15:32  
thought about so.

Zach McHale  1:15:36  
Throw yourself in the ocean. See if you get a shark.

Brian Lane  1:15:38  
Yeah, don't deviate from it. It's really it's fucking Yeah, I'm

Zach McHale  1:15:43  
hanging like just like, I don't know like hanging in a closet or like hanging off the bridge like no

Brian Lane  1:15:49  
like it's like their house in a gymnasium or something like that.

Zach McHale  1:15:54  
Going from what at Planet Fitness. I'm just gonna see some guy hanging with a couple of hooks?

Connor Heine  1:15:59  
licensed like nurse or practitioner that is putting these hooks in there buddy like

Zach McHale  1:16:08  
this goes by the way guys next to the pizza. We got those new hooks up there if you want to try this out your pierce yourself with those.

Brian Lane  1:16:15  
know, just average people that just

Connor Heine  1:16:18  
can't say that. I've never met an average person. And maybe I'm not meeting the right people but I

Unknown Speaker  1:16:24  
don't think I've ever met. Personally heard of bowling.

Connor Heine  1:16:30  
Bowling just makes me want to go with bowling or something.

Zach McHale  1:16:36  
Yeah, that is Yeah, that's crazy. I hadn't heard of that. That's

Connor Heine  1:16:39  
what I wanted. I thought yeah, like they play a lot of Parcheesi or something. But now

Brian Lane  1:16:44  
No, that's just something really out there. Other weird hobbies? No, I don't really have too much.

Connor Heine  1:16:50  
I mean, like that, that kind of you have any hobbies besides outdoorsy stuff? No, no, you tell me you're not. You're not that well rounded person.

Brian Lane  1:17:00  
Now. No, I mean, I'm very mediocre in a lot of senses. I'm just a regular guy just making a buy. Yeah, what did you say, Zach?

Zach McHale  1:17:08  
I said you get you been getting into cooking lately? Oh, no.

Brian Lane  1:17:11  
I've been I mean, I've been cooking for like years now. I consider myself actually very well. I love well shaped. Yeah, cooking is super impressive. Yeah. And I think like that's kind of like what distinguishes you from being like, you know, like a fucking frat boy from like, an adult. Like, you know, like, Yeah, sure. Like, I can ask making wrong friends over and be like, yeah, we'll order some pizzas. Or, like you have some friends over. You're like, yo, let's cook a dope meal and just chill out together and enjoy some good food. Yeah.

Connor Heine  1:17:39  
Have you ever been. I have moments where like, I'm cooking and like, I would call myself a decent decent cook. But like people are like, all like, yeah, you should be a cook. And I'm like, have you ever thought about being a cook? Do you know what a cook life is? cooks show up at the restaurant for hours and hours, like at 5am for dinner service and they start chopping onions and chopping everything. That's how you do you're chop master. When you're

Brian Lane  1:18:03  
ripping butts in the back of the restaurant. Like Yeah, I don't want to be that sad cook that guy. Yeah,

Zach McHale  1:18:09  
yeah, no. Yeah, late nights. Yeah.

Connor Heine  1:18:12  
I mean, I'm all about cooks cuz I like eat now. For sure. I could not do it.

Brian Lane  1:18:18  
Bless the cooks. Shout out to the real one. But no, I definitely wouldn't be one.

Connor Heine  1:18:23  
Because it's too sad. I love cooking. It's like a relaxing thing for me. I don't. I wouldn't want to make it like,

Zach McHale  1:18:30  
right a job and especially if you just send it out there like I fucking nailed this and then you just get some asshole who just like send it back

Connor Heine  1:18:37  
home? Yes. sweet for me.

Brian Lane  1:18:39  
sweet for me. I'll show you something sweet. Sugar. And it's impressive to other people. Like I mean, like, yeah, someone over Yeah. And like,

Unknown Speaker  1:18:49  
dude, the other day, my parents.

Brian Lane  1:18:52  
We had me and my girlfriend we had people over for dinner. And like, you know, sometimes you're bored. And like, you know, like, I hang out with like, older people. Like I said, like most of the people that work in the industry are like in their mid 30s Oh, like, yeah, early 30s. Late 40s. Like, that's super old. So like, so old. Yeah, but like they'll come over and they're like, fuck

Unknown Speaker  1:19:12  
retirement home.

Brian Lane  1:19:13  
When you tell someone like yeah, I'm gonna make Beef Wellington. Like they're like, what's up? Like, that sounds pretty intimidating. And then like when you pull it off, you're like, cool. That was fun. It tastes fucking weird. But like that was still cool.

Connor Heine  1:19:26  
We have a we have a pretty good Beef Wellington story. If you if you let me tell this story. We were

Unknown Speaker  1:19:31  
down.

Connor Heine  1:19:33  
We were on. Do you remember who Andrew Fryer remember his name? We're on his bachelor trip in Las Vegas and his brother. We wanted to like have a fancy dinner at like a high end. Las Vegas restaurant. So his brother booked us a reservation at Gordon Ramsay's restaurant Hell's Kitchen in Vegas. And we but it was at like 11 o'clock at night was the only opening we could get For dinner, yeah for dinner. So we were like, all right, whatever, like, party all day party all night, then just go eat dinner.

Zach McHale  1:20:06  
This is right before COVID hit the weekend before like, it really was like, oh, like you we came, I came back in the airport, and it was like something has happened.

Connor Heine  1:20:18  
What's going on? We're still hungover from this bachelor weekend. But so, so we were, you know, out all day, gambling all night and then you know, it's right. It's connected to I think it's connected to Caesars and I think it's connected to Caesars Palace. So like you walk outside and you walk into Hell's Kitchen, and their big thing there is the Beef Wellington. So our one friend, I don't know if you remember Ryan Ruble, but he's talking about it all weekend. He's like, I'm gonna get get the Beef Wellington. I can't wait to get the Beef Wellington, like my girlfriend has told me to get the Beef Wellington. I've heard all this stuff about the Beef Wellington. I'm gonna get the Beef Wellington. We're like, that's great, dude. Like we might get to be wanted to. So he, we hear him order the Beef Wellington. I'll remind you it's 11 o'clock at night. At this point. We're drinking all day party and all day. We here in order to Beef Wellington. Everyone gets their food. We're all excited. We're eating, we're eating and he's like, Oh my god, this is the best thing that people into. So yeah, I fucking love this beef. 100 It's amazing. Great, great, great. Next morning, we wake up and he like, sent a snapchat to everybody. It was a fillet. And he even said for like, on his Snapchat, like best fillet ever, ever had. And he woke up that morning on that Beef Wellington. We were like, dude, we just saw the snap. You'd even have a fucking fillet. Oh my God. That was so crazy. By the way. Mariah Carey walked in like five minutes after Ryan finished his not Beef Wellington but a fillet. What can find? Right after a show at the table? Right. All right, Carrie. Wow, that's fancy, and we were all gawking at her so much that she got up from her table and switched to the other side of the table. So that's impressive. So she wasn't facing us so she couldn't see us

Brian Lane  1:21:54  
staring. You officially creeped out Mariah Carey? Yeah, yeah.

Connor Heine  1:21:59  
She doesn't know my name. But she knows my face.

Brian Lane  1:22:01  
Dude, activities before the Rona what a different time. I remember different life. This was like right before the country got shut down. I think me and my Canadian buddies that were down here and my girlfriend at the time we went out to this like cidercade. Like that's the new thing now like, in bombed. You know what I mean? arcade like, yeah,

Zach McHale  1:22:20  
that's like a cider. All right.

Brian Lane  1:22:22  
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, everyone's hinting at like, COVID-19. And we're like, sure, whatever. Like, we're going to the cidercade.

Zach McHale  1:22:31  
So we were out there. You're talking about just a barcade that's like cider beers, right?

Brian Lane  1:22:35  
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's called Bishop Cider Brewing in Dallas, Texas. Fucking sweet. So we went out and we're enjoying it, that sort of thing. There's like, hundreds of people around us. We're going around we're touching all the same machines. And we're like, oh, COVID is a bunch of bullshit that sort of thing. We got you know, shit-faced and we ended up coming back home. The next day the country's like, yeah, we're shutting down. And then we start like processing everything. We're like, Oh, is that a good idea? Like, we were just around a bunch of people maybe we're going to die now. Like when the when the virus? I'm not talking about the virus. But cider kid. Wow, what an experience.

Connor Heine  1:23:15  
Shout outside sounds like

Zach McHale  1:23:16  
sounds fantastic talking. Oh, man.

Brian Lane  1:23:20  
Yeah. We're living in a different world now. Mm hmm.

Connor Heine  1:23:24  
We are indeed. Yeah,

Zach McHale  1:23:26  
it's weird. It's weird. I was just in it when I was in the Poconos. We ended up going to a casino. So now they got all the Plexiglas in between each seat that you sit down in. And so I'm sitting right next to my one buddy, and I can't even have a conversation with him. The dealer will say some little witty thing to me. I can't have a conversation with him. There's no table conversation. I lose 90 bucks and about five minutes and I go completely silent. I go. This isn't fun. There's nothing fun about this and getting no social aspect. I'm losing money, which is like I kind of expected it gambling. But now it's just like I may as well just fucking throw this in the trash can in and stand in a room and stare at the wall by myself.

Unknown Speaker  1:24:06  
Yeah, that's fun too

Unknown Speaker  1:24:08  
place. Yeah.

Brian Lane  1:24:09  
That sounds pretty depressing. Don't do that. Yeah.

Zach McHale  1:24:12  
Well, that's basically what we're doing.

Brian Lane  1:24:15  
There's the one thing that I will say like kind of like working in this industry. You definitely see like the stark differences in people's behaviors like we do actually get a like a lot of criticism for being open right now. Because we have like a we're pretty close content. Sorry.

Zach McHale  1:24:30  
Is the plane taken off? They're taken off with all you

Brian Lane  1:24:32  
know, I tried. I tried stealthily preheating an oven, but starts beeping at me. So that was uh, have you ever jumped in the dark committed? Yes, I have actually that's like, Oh, you need to do in order to get your DEA license. You need to make two night skydive.

Connor Heine  1:24:51  
I got my D license.

Unknown Speaker  1:24:55  
My dong.

Unknown Speaker  1:24:56  
so bad.

Brian Lane  1:24:59  
I did well, yeah. Definitely three beers deep. But what was I saying? Fuck. Oh, yeah, we get scrutiny for being open actually a little bit because for skydiving I mean Zach you could relate to this. You are very close to that strange man behind you, you know, and it's not necessary not close enough, in my opinion not close enough. Well, you didn't find the fifth attachment point.

Yeah, I mean, you're, you're less than ideally close to this person during a worldwide pandemic. So something kind of mixed reviews. But most of the people that come out to us they're actually really understanding of them. Mm hmm. We do a pretty good job at it. But it's actually kind of surprising to see how many people come out here to get strapped to a stranger during a pandemic going on. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  1:25:52  
yeah,

Connor Heine  1:25:53  
I thought a person I thought of another question. I was, what do you got? Oh, do we can't build it up that much? Now it's gonna suck. Um, I might have touched on this earlier, but, uh, if you were working as a skydiver, and you weren't gonna work in anything environmental Do you see yourself in any other job or career? Is there anything else you you think you could do? Besides what you're doing?

Brian Lane  1:26:24  
No, no, I definitely need to have something outdoors. Yeah, I definitely couldn't sit inside the first thing that I thought about like my kind of fallback would be like working for the Forest Service. I like kind of have like a minor in forestry. So kind of like judging parcels of land and doing understory growth and development. So kind of like like an easy way of like relaying is like you know how maybe you don't know this but like when we first got to Redwood I'm pretty smart.

Connor Heine  1:26:53  
I'm fine.

Brian Lane  1:26:54  
Yeah, cuz Yeah. Redwood National Forest like officially like when we got it, we were like, fucking preserve this thing. No one touch it. But then there were these massive fires. And the fires were from all the brush kind of building out and eventually there was one fire and it was a giant tinderbox. And now the forestry service has been like a large talk lately, especially with climate change, whether you believe in that or not. Shift burning. So that would kind of be like my, my fallback to would be working for the Forest Service at

Zach McHale  1:27:27  
Set the Redwoods on fire.

Brian Lane  1:27:29  
No, not set. Fire, ideally prevent things from being an arsonist. It

Connor Heine  1:27:34  
sounds pretty cool. Blowing shit up.

Brian Lane  1:27:35  
I know. But the payoff doesn't work when it's not your property. So I'd probably fall back. But that's like, I guess that would also be considered outdoors. Yeah, that's no, I don't really think that I could do too much other than outdoors work. Um, but it's always gonna be there. I mean, recreation is one of the largest industries in the world. Yeah. No matter where you go. And like you said,

Connor Heine  1:28:05  
even growing during this time, it seems like people are getting out more

Zach McHale  1:28:11  
growing. Like, it's like the industry. Oh, like, it's like, yeah, like just now during periods? Yeah. Know,

Brian Lane  1:28:17  
for sure. It's growing for sure. I mean, like, people have been locked up in the house, the first thing they want to do is go outside and explore something new. But there's also very large repercussions to that, you know, like, the outdoors has like a max capacity, in a sense, like, you know, there's only there's only so many people that can go out before it's detrimental to the health of that specific ecosystem. You know, there's like carrying capacity is what we call the Adirondacks. the Adirondacks is like a pretty unique case, because it's so close to New York City. You know, people want to go out there and get mountain pictures and stuff like that. But the carrying capacity of the wilderness is not ready for everyone coming out at once. You know, so kind of going out enjoying different parts of your state or region is super important, not just going to those specific hubs, Yellowstone or Yosemite are really good examples of that. There's heaps of people out there. Hmm. Especially like with government shutdowns. When it's not regulated and stuff like that, like that will fucking thrash this place.

Connor Heine  1:29:25  
I didn't think about that. Yeah, me neither.

Brian Lane  1:29:28  
Yeah, you got to be careful with all this stuff. I mean, it's like not meant a we're overpopulated as fuck is a world. B. It's just not meant to hold that sort of attention. We are pretty to be super careful about that. We are pretty lucky in the sense though,

Connor Heine  1:29:43  
I think. I think the United States is one of the most one of the biggest countries do have as much protected land as we do have

Brian Lane  1:29:50  
most protected but awesome, most, like open, like accessible, like yeah, anyone can be anywhere at any point in time.

Connor Heine  1:30:00  
Yeah America freedom.

Brian Lane  1:30:01  
Yeah America Fuck Yeah, but also don't thrash our beautiful country we stole from other people. Yeah, yeah. Sad people sad The more you got to be more in touch with the with the with everything that's around right people are super inconsiderate i mean i see it down here all the time I was in Home Depot parking lot the other day there's a bunch of fucking trash and I'm like, you know part of me wants to pick it up part of me other doesn't like I don't want to pick up other people's trash that sort of thing. But again, people don't give are very considerate to the the environments around them.

Connor Heine  1:30:33  
Yes, we got to be thankful for what we have because not a lot of people have it.

Brian Lane  1:30:38  
No, they don't and and if they do, then it's already been over utilized and overused. And it's it's no longer nice anymore.

Connor Heine  1:30:45  
Yeah. I have a not left field question. But have you ever heard of the documentary called Unbranded?

Zach McHale  1:30:52  
dope? Yeah, Haman songs. That was one I meant.

Connor Heine  1:30:57  
It kind of it's for guys who went to Texas A&M, and they were all like in business degrees at Texas A&M. And then like, became friends and all decided, like, they didn't want to do business or accounting and they want to do something outdoors. So they made a documentary where they adopted like, big horse guys. Yeah, they adopted, they adopted wild mustangs. Because there's like huge problem with how many wild horses there are in America. They're like, really ravaging open plains. And so they did this documentary where they adopted Mustangs, train them and then rode them from Mexico, border to the Canadian border, all on public land, just to show how much public land we have and come before the country. It's, it's it's a pretty unbelievable documentary. Um, but it just really showcases how lucky we are to live in a country that has as much public land as we still have. Oh, for sure.

Brian Lane  1:31:55  
I mean, like, that's what that doubt and like, it's so underutilized. Everyone wants to go to all these national parks, but national forests are where it at like, you know, people can everyone's living out of a van these days. You know, that's like the cool thing. But like, National Forests are awesome, because it's free camping, technically. So you can go to any number of these places, which are hidden all over, they're not really big on maps, because no one looks them up. But that's like a good way of like going out and like utilizing your local environments and stuff like that.

Connor Heine  1:32:27  
Being in Texas, have you ever explored like the the border of Texas and Mexico? I've heard that actually, ecosystem is pretty good.

Brian Lane  1:32:37  
Yeah, so no.

Connor Heine  1:32:40  
There's the Rio Grande.

Brian Lane  1:32:42  
Yeah, so that's all Big Bend and the Guadalupe Mountains. Yeah, it's actually Yeah, I've heard that. It's beautiful. It's 11 hours. A Texas is fucking

Connor Heine  1:32:52  
gigantic. Dallas is technically North Texas. Yeah. Very North Texas.

Brian Lane  1:32:58  
Yeah. That's about Yeah. 10 to 11 hours away from where I am right now. Big Ben is asking, like,

Connor Heine  1:33:07  
how long does it take to get to Florida from

Zach McHale  1:33:09  
Yes, like ever? Yeah. You ever go Yo, you're from New Jersey?

Unknown Speaker  1:33:12  
Yeah.

Zach McHale  1:33:13  
You ever go rage at the clubs in Miami?

Brian Lane  1:33:18  
Yeah, no, I haven't been down there. I do want to go down there. The Guadalupe Mountains. I definitely want to go right. Explore his mount as well. I have one buddy. That is actually a whitewater guide down in the Big Bend area on the Rio Grande. And it's it looks absolutely beautiful. That's got some hot springs down there. Super diverse Canyon systems and stuff like that. Now I haven't gotten down there. I haven't really done too much Texas stuff in general. But it is like a goal of mine. Maybe if we get shut you got to get off right.

Zach McHale  1:33:50  
But Austin shut down. And

Brian Lane  1:33:53  
Nope, haven't been done to Austin yet. But I've heard nothing but good things. Actually, the company that I work for the guy is actually like kind of like, in my personal opinion. He's a pioneer of the skydiving industry. The like skydiving operation has huge amounts of overhead costs, in terms of like the aircraft, the fuel to get it out the type of pricing that we need to send a load that sort of thing. He's managed to franchise five different locations across the United States, three of them being in Texas, one in Atlanta, Georgia, and another enclosed in Florida. Pretty much working. What's that?

Connor Heine  1:34:35  
It's a shout out to Georgia by the way. Yeah,

Brian Lane  1:34:37  
yeah. Georgia swing state. I'm sick God pretty much working in this company. We're able to swap around at different locations relatively easily. Like if you have my position. No, not so much. That was a little toot my horn but if you're just a general contractor, yeah, you can go and work at other locations as well. One of our locations is dan down in San Marcos and it's a it's near San Antonio and Austin. Yeah, Brittany, is that right? Yes. Okay, so it's right near San Antonio and Austin. I still don't know Texas at all I've written in San Marcos is kind of like a cool place to go. Especially as like a skydiving instructor. Like, you know, there's a big college down in San Marcos where it's got like, a river to float on and kayak or canoe or whatever. And then it's got like fancy restaurants, obviously college biddies everywhere, but that's not my jam. Yeah, so that's kind of like the cooler place to go. I do want to go down to San Marcos and kind of explore that area a little bit more. Ultimately, I never thought I would like Texas as much as I do right now.

Unknown Speaker  1:35:49  
It is literally access dude.

Zach McHale  1:35:52  
Austin seems to be a big hot spot.

Brian Lane  1:35:55  
Texas is rad. I'm actually working on getting my residency here right now. Unfortunately, I had a hold on my account. I guess I like apparently, I've had like a revoked license for five years. I just found Yeah,

Connor Heine  1:36:08  
you're on like a watch list.

Brian Lane  1:36:10  
Yeah, essentially. But like, yeah, again, that fixed rate now it should be cleared up with New York and like a couple weeks, but um, I'm really excited to be a resident down here. The people are super nice. And the things to do down here are immense. And also just like potential growth as like a person and like business. Texas is like one of those states that you could totally see just being like, fuck it. We're our own country now.

Connor Heine  1:36:33  
Yeah. It kind of is it? I mean,

Zach McHale  1:36:37  
what are they stayed with Mexico for a while, like, maybe way back?

Connor Heine  1:36:41  
Yeah, you're talking to history stuff? yeah,

Brian Lane  1:36:43  
there's always like rumors that like Texas has done power grid, and it's totally ready to like segregate itself from the United States. But like, I don't know how much that is true. If it is huge.

Connor Heine  1:36:54  
So rad. Yeah, it basically Dominion

Brian Lane  1:36:59  
it is. And like, I feel like it gets like a bad rap and like, just general society, like oh, fuckin, Texas. But once you come down here, anyone that come from Jersey, a shout out to South Jersey. It's literally the same thing just on a bigger scale. It's got corn everywhere.

Zach McHale  1:37:19  
Love corn.

Brian Lane  1:37:20  
Well, I mean, like, it's very much like Medford. We're gonna hear from Medford.

Unknown Speaker  1:37:24  
I am.

Unknown Speaker  1:37:24  
Yeah,

Connor Heine  1:37:25  
you have to say like that.

Brian Lane  1:37:26  
Everyone. That's everyone. That's from Medford pretty much where I live. Texas is the same exact thing if large agricultural land just on the bigger tomatoes, though. Yeah, that's the one thing no tomatoes. I knew that was coming down from the right field. No, no tomatoes. Just corn. Corn still pretty good.

Connor Heine  1:37:44  
Yeah, corn is good. My tomatoes though.

Unknown Speaker  1:37:47  
Yeah.

Connor Heine  1:37:48  
Cool, man. Well, this has been great.

Zach McHale  1:37:51  
Yeah. It's been awesome, man. Really appreciate you coming on. It's been a fun time. Yeah, this

Brian Lane  1:37:56  
is lasted a lot longer than I thought. So I'm glad I made it this far.

Zach McHale  1:37:59  
Yeah, absolutely. Did this is Yeah, this was fun. It was great. Getting your perspective on some things and hearing about how you're doing out there. And also, I think this will be useful for people who are kind of in a similar spot that you were considering that kind of route to?

Brian Lane  1:38:14  
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hopefully. I mean, like, if it is, that's good. Yeah. I

Connor Heine  1:38:18  
think I mean, I think there's a lot of people that are probably in this similar situation that you've been in your life that hopefully they hear this, because it's a it's a good story.

Brian Lane  1:38:28  
Yeah. Sweet. Thanks, guys. Well, I appreciate the time.

Connor Heine  1:38:32  
Yeah, absolutely.

Zach McHale  1:38:33  
Yeah. Thanks a lot, Brian.

Unknown Speaker  1:38:34  
All right. See ya. Bye,

Brian Lane

Professional Skydiver

Brian Lane is one of the youngest professional skydiving instructors at Skydive Spaceland Dallas where he lives on-site in an airplane hangar. He's completed nearly 2,000 jumps and is currently undergoing training to fly in a wingsuit.
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After being lead to Paul Smith's College in upstate New York by his uncle, Brian enrolled in a major called RAELM (Recreation, Adventure Education and Leisure Management) with a minor in Business. He's been a whitewater rafting guide in Utah, ski instructor in Colorado and he briefly trained as a wellness therapist in New York.